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Am I a Secret Genius Because I Have Bipolar Disorder?

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wildorchid's picture

Secret Genius implies that I am probably not that much of a genius, much to my chagrin. Most Bipolar people get arrogant for short periods of time and deal with incredibly low self-esteem issues after, so please be polite when responding to any posts in this forum.

Thanks.

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Submitted by diane on

I am Bipolar and yes, I consider myself a genius.  I don't care who thinks I'm arrogant.  My brain works differently than other folk's and it is quicker.  It problems solves differently and I think out of the box.  Few can keep up with me.  I am an artist and a scientist.  I feel like a different species.  I am feral.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

i also have bi polar disorder but its not that extreme with me at leaste i dont think, i do notice i get highs and bad downs in my mood for no reason, and my mind constantly races iam also a artist wich many ppl and friends i have shown my art to consider me to be extremely unique and creative, i beleive i have always seen the world in a different way from most ppl, but i dont like to be cocky and rank myself as a genus even though all my friends and family thnk iam, including my neurologist, btw im 17 and how u said "feral" it rlly does describe very well, im thinking most ppl wont understand wat u meen exactly but i do (:... happily mad artist out!

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Submitted by Graham Hill on

I completely agree with you:)

Ryan's picture
Submitted by Ryan on

It "problems solves" ? does it think quick enough to spell check?

Just playing! :)

The answer is, Yes. Bipolar people always head towards more advanced thinking.

It's not that big of a deal, as many others are just like you.

While in the state of mania, bipolar individuals often think they are "more advanced than any other person has ever been" which is simply untrue.

Almost anything artistic will be dominated by bipolar people. I tend to find authors who are bipolar to struggle, because they write in such a way that only other bipolar people find exciting or amusing.. or w/e

What normal person wants to read about how you are "soo F-ing pissed! wait now I'm happy, now im sad :(((  oh oh! so happy now!"

Food for thought.  -Ryan

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Submitted by June on

Secret Genius, I think I understand.   Well, to me there is a life in between genius and chagrin.  I know it can appear incredibly mediocre and dull and having experienced the highs of mania myself, I find the compromise often so depressing that I feel utterly hopeless.  Arrogance after all is something my own low-self esteem hides behind and when I realize the self-deception of my manic self, the accompanying arrogance is typically a source of great embarrassment.

The depressive state causes anxiety, pain, and great despair - I feel small and insignificant, a failure and I stay alive only because I don't want to inflict pain to others.  

To be honest, I don't understand BP at all. I do feel that I process things differently from other people and my mind makes connections that they don't seem to see, even when I'm not manic. I'm not an artist, but I would describe myself as creative and insightful.  My confusion is that when I'm somewhere between depression and mania, I doubt myself and don't follow my instincts even when I should because I fear that I may be manic.  Overall BP is very humbling to me.

 

wildorchid's picture

Being Bipolar is definitely not easy. How long ago were you diagnosed? I know it's always easier for me between episodes, as opposed to just after when I shrink up into myself into a tiny ball.

As for considering ourselves geniuses, it's obviously a personal choice, but I think it's important to recognize that there are SOME positives to having Bipolar Disorder as well.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

I am a genius in some areas, usually with art and the Bible. But anything else I have to reread 3 times to get the meaning.

Judith's picture
Submitted by Judith on

Actually.. I am a genuis, bipolar, & I killed Justin Bieber! Beat THAT. (:

Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous on

My brother i think is bipolar, but a consultant he has seen in the past would not give him a diagnosis as he said this would hold him back in his career. 

He does have creative thoughts and thinks he is a genuis, but in the process my parents suffer as they have to pick up the many episodes of mess he makes.  He may have a creative chaotic life, but my parents no longer have a life of their own as it revolves around my brothers moods. 

They dare not go on any holidays for fear of what they will return to.  My mother spends many of her days crying and wondering what will happen next.

It may be OK to be a genius but what about the mess that surrounds this genius and the people it effects.

It seems to me my brother has a much less stressful life with his condition than my parents.

wildorchid's picture

Bipolar Disorder is definitely stressful for friends and family. Your parents might want to seek out an organization like this to get advice from others who are going through the same thing.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

There is nothing we can do as due to the consultant who thought he was helping him, my brother thinks there is nothing wrong with him and that he is just a genius.

He only takes his medication on occasions just to keep my parents happy and due to this his moods are very far from stable.

Our hands are tied as we can only get help for him if he agrees, and as he thinks there is nothing wrong with him there is no help to be had.  We have to wait and watch as he gets worse, waiting for something bad to happen before the doctors will do anything.

I can understand that it is wrong to force someone to take medication etc. But if they are unable to run a happy life, keep a job and not effect others this is OK, if not i think treatment should be there.

wildorchid's picture

I have heard the same story about other people with Bipolar Disorder- it's tough and sometimes can be difficult to diagnose (or to face for the patients).

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Submitted by Gary Caldwell on

From an early age, I was both very creative, and very difficult in school- felt bored. Servwd 5 years on a US Navy Warship with little sleep, and was diagnosed Bipolar at age 29. Seems I just can't stiop my creative/asscoiative genius. Been in the newspapers and on TV with my inventions, but it is hard for me to talk to others, and to focus as normal people do. I was on a nightmare drug program of antipsychotic drugs that made me feel dul and surpressed. Almost killed me 2 years ago, so I quit taking them all and am now on Legal Medical Marijuana. My Brain Chemistry is unlike normal people, and I don't get high- just feel relief from suffering, and can live a fuller life. Don't like being labeled "Bipolar", but love the creativity that comes with it! It was not my choice to be like this anyway. Old Russian saying: "I cried because I had no boots- untill I saw the man who had no feet". Cheers, Gary

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Submitted by Anonymous on

I can completely relate to you.  My brother also has bypolar and many dellusions he has destroyed so many things and come way top close to taking his own life many times by jumping off of things...out of cars...and almost stabbing himself in order to "kill the anti-christ"...It is so sad.  He even went to prison because of his mania...he thought it was funny to "pretend" to rob the gas station of all its cigerettes...he thinks he is so smart and funny during things like this and above everyone else.  I

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Submitted by Anonymous on

My brother is bipolar and has been since he was diagnosed when he was 17.  He just turned 40.  He's been on every medication, seen many therapists and has been to jail;etc. for poor judgement during manic episodes.  He's had 5 so far and coming out of his 6th one now.  It can take months to cycle down and he can sit you down and explain in detail what bipolar is and what it does to him .  How the medications work and what he needs to do.  Yet, he can't focus, stay balanced even on the right medicaiton, and has had so many years of ups and downs, reality as we know it does not exist in his mind.  It's sad and I know he hates himself and being bipolar.  Even standing by and loving him is hard as he thinks we just feel sorry for him.  It's been a difficult ride but much harder for the family than himself as he deffinately has had some wonderful times during his maina.  Maybe more wonderful than we all could ever imagine.  Myself and my mom are who's left standing by hoping he'll be able to live each day in the present instead of continuing to reflect on his "horrible" life (which was no different than the average disfunctional family these days).

Good luck to all who have a loved one with bipolar.  The choice to remain in their lives is difficult, especially when you know you cannot make a difference.  Love them on a good day and stay away on the bad ones.  We have to find our own balance as well.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

Have you heard of NAMI? They have Family-to-Family groups and peer support groups in almost all states. Go to NAMI.org and check it out.

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Submitted by MR BIPOLAR on

 YES,of course we make a mess ....when we don't have a GOOD TREATMENT PLAN.

 

Lithium,no alcohol or drug abuse.Sleep 8 to 10 evryday,exercise daily,good diet,faith helps.

 

Education and lot's of it for EVERYONE.

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Submitted by dwb on

i was diagnosed as tripolar at a very young age. i also happen to be considered the most intelligent man alive.

 

there is a definite correlation between # of poles and intelligence.

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Submitted by james lewis on

what have u done, to be considered the most intelligent person alive?

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Submitted by Anonymous on

I am have OCD, ADD, ADHD, Psuedomania, Bipolarmania, I am mentally unstable, you name it, I have it. And arrogant though it may seem, sometimes I get incredibly brilliant ideas or thoughts (mostly regarding philosophy, religion, and science) and I am astounded other people don't think the same way. I also considered that it was because of my "gifts". Thank you so much for this article, now I don't feel like I'm alone in the world anymore!

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Submitted by Anonymous on

I've been diagnosed with bipolar, (manic depression), since the age of 9 and I'm now 51. In the Air Force my IQ came in something like 163+ and yes they couldn't believe it and offered to send me to school then bring me back as a captain, but I'm the idiot that turned it down. Is it a curse, I think so. All I ever wanted to do is be like everybody else but can't be. You're right! The highs with me always seem to be missing something and the lows, "that come on without my knowledge" are unbelievable. Years ago I was talking with a college professor from Utah on genius, and she agreed with me. "Everybodies a genius in thier own right. If you take a complete and utter moron who can't read, can't right, is a social misfit and whatever else, but can rebuild a 350 small block within 2 hours I guess we know where his genius is, don't we? Here's one to ponder. I had a friend years ago whose mother told me his IQ clocked in @ 166+ when he was 11. One day I noticed he was on the phone trying to sell something and his voice was cracking all over the place ruining the sale which made me say to myself, "I have the same problem". Upon discussing this with the

Neurologist at the VA he laughed and agreed, "Is it possible that too many thoughts are coming in at one time and thier shorting out and this is what's causing the cracking?" Also, it seems that people with a higher intellegence, "and if you look you'll find this to be true", can not make a decent voice mail if their lives depended on it. There's alway that pause or pauses the longer the message goes. Sorry if I'm wasting anybodies time. Have to study now.

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Submitted by Rick on

I can do mechanical work on a car and understand intricacies that most people don't.  I know computers and their language. I can grow a garden, hunt, and fish like anyone from the south.  I know a few different languages, love math, and have a good understanding of statistics.  I see how things work and sometimes if I'm lucky understand how people work.  I've often wondered if I was psycic, or just plain crazy.  I self medicate with plenty of alchohol, I know I have a gift from somewhere; maybe god.  I often wonder how to use it, I am good at anything I put myself to understand (and that's an understatement)  My brain is constantly runing variables and posibilities with everything I do, I think I'm paranoid mostly as that is a side effect of this I believe...

 

Rick

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Submitted by Ben Williams on

Hook up with me and we will design and build a perpetual motion machine... I have exact same problem with same gifts. email me at BenWilliams1979@aol.com... I am the best at what i do in just 5 years with my own mechanic business... I have a degree in computer engineering and electronics also... I am 33 and just found out im bipolar. Now I can start using my abilities to solve the most complex of problems withouth having to medicate my self for not understanding why i was having those feelings... Borderline Insane I swear..!! I am dying to meet someone like me that has a passion for it and wants to make loads of money. I cant find anyone else that sees the world as i do except on this forum.

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Isn't it neat that I can still post a comment to this thread....hello - I'm new here - just found you tonight, and I'm still reveling in the fact that there is a site for Manic-depressives!  (people who understand mania!!)

 

Of course I think I am Buddha when I am completely manic, lol (who doesn't?) :P

 

But it's more than that, and this is Exactly what drove me to find this site tonight.  The fact of being genius or not is irrelevant to me atm, so much as the microcosmic Algernon-like experience that mania and depression produce; my IQ can vary as much as 20 points between the two spectrums, and I feel it All.

 

Freaks me out, lol.  Glad to be here - lots to read, lots to ponder. :)

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Submitted by Graham Hill on

First off i want to say i love this post:)

I'm 23years old and i have Bipolor. I look @ it as more of a blessing. i have delt with tons of high emotion throughout my life so far and it has taken me a long time to get them undercontrol. i guess you can say with the help of meds and years of self help i have gotten myself under contral. My close friends and family say im one of the rare cases of someone who has Bipolor and can function just like everyone else. Heres my thought on why i have alwas felt like im a lot smarter then most people for one i have photographic memory, when i was 6years old i started building rector sets and these huge contraptions like ferris wheels that move and rollorcoasters the the passengers and all then over the years i moverd from that to legos and knex. as i got older i went to a lot of private schools and to this day i proudly say i stayed in all high honors courses and yes even thoughout collage:) I have noticed something unque on how i view the world around me, i look @ it like i'm living in third person see every situation good and bad from multiple diferent points of views. which i have determind that its more a good then bad. As for my artistic side its always up front and center. My family says i can take the simplest thing like a paperclip and make it into something amazing. lol. i see the bones of the world around me and the amazing things that decorate it. I give my support to all of my fellow Bipolor Geniuses.

-Graham H.

Oh dont mind the typos.

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Submitted by Rickiedale Broome on

I read, somewhere, that emotions don't play well with genius. Can you elaberate on this topic?

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Submitted by cb on

I have been diagnosis with bi-polar, and sometimes agree with the diagnosis and sometimes not. :P 

I have always felt smarter than my "peers". I have never felt understood. I also learn differently than others. I do not need repetition to grasp a concept. My most often used words as a child, even now at 37, are an exasperated "I'm bored."

Does this mean I am genus? Or just crazy? Or both?

To me the most troubling aspect of the disease is not the highs, nor the lows, but the constant isolation. No one "gets" me. Some I scare off, the others I tire of. I am completely and utterly alone. 

I suppose isolation (in addition to the high rate of suicide and death due to manic behaviors) may be natural selections way of ridding the gene pool of bi-polar...Will it take higher intelligence and creativity with it?

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Submitted by Elaina Skyewing on

I was diagnosed with bipolar 'disorder' when I was 30, I am now 50.  Three years ago, I decided to revamp what I was eating..from the SAD diet to a (high rawfood/organic 'live it' lifestyle) and haven't had one episode yet, that was three years ago!;)  I also stopped all my medications 3 years ago as well, and haven't been on them since!;)  It's our choice to rise higher and become more of what we were intended to be: Super humans with super human abilities, but of course this takes responsability in the choices you make into what kind of food goes into your body, and alot of people don't want to do it, it's easier to just lay back and believe the lies we've been told, that we are less than, when in fact were not, infact were exactly the opposite, we are MORE than.  Did you know many many many years ago, people with our creative abilities and our deep perceptions were called Shamans...hmmmmm?  There is alot to be said of a society who makes a special place for people who have different perceptions/abilities (shamans) than a society like we have now who has no room for the ones who see depth where others don't see it, label them misfits/crazy/outcasts then make money off of their 'mental illness'.  There is a whole money making industry built around us believing in our 'brokeness' when infact we aren't broken at all, there just isn't a coherent framework in our society (yet) that sees how special our perceptions are, instead of seeing us as lights to guide the way, we allow them to rip our wings off. There are also others like me out there who are bipolars and have revamped their lifestyle in what they put into their bodies as well, incorporating once again rawfood/organic and voila!  No more bipolar/mania.  In closing,  all of us who are deemed as bipolars, are actually Shamans, wayseers, here to help guide humanity into the new shift of consciousness.  All of us who have been told we are bipolars, have actually been given an ace, which is a present in disguise.  An ace in the game can be lowest or highest, it all depends how much responsability you want to take, in placing the highest value on yourself, or allowing others to define who you are, which would place you at the lowest. I've been at both those places, I choose to be at the top.  Blessings to everyone, with great love and respect, Elaina    liquidbutterflye@yahoo.com

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Submitted by Jeffrey on

Elaina states what I beleive to be obvious, "We are not broken." but I know few really get that. The work of Robert Fritz combined with the freeing work of William Isaacs proves this out in a logical and rational way. The trick to living brilliantly is knowing life is about structure and we think its about drama.

 

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Submitted by mtnrunner on

Being a bipolar genius is all a part of the illness.  Of course the brain works different as if does with anyone who has a mental illness, hence the name illness.  It's ok to be arrogant and have these ideations of grandeur, its a part of the illness to.  Where the real trouble is when you think you are beyond the normal capacity of mortality.  As when you say that marijuana does not affect you because you are different.  This Charlie Sheen syndrome is quite delusional.  I am not trying to be mean, but its the truth.  You will only be affective to the world when you get your feet on the ground, find humilty and then work hard to accomplish things.  Let others wave your flag, not yourself.

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Submitted by SunnyD on

Maybe its you whos wrong and all the so call phyco bi polar ppl are the only ones able to feel real compassiong but because of you souless assholes you don't understand why we get upset because we care so much.. truth is only a bipolar doctor could explain it. not a normal one get it?

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Submitted by JPS on

I was diagnosed "bipolar" 6 years ago.

I see it as a compliment, or, as others have said in the above posts in more words or less, "I was diagnosed as a genius."

I notice the following positives:

exagerated creativity, grandiose ideations/thoughts, unimaginable information processing ability, "logistical" thinking or breaking things down into the basics, unemotional situational analysis, insatiable apetite for learning, medication?

I notice the following negatives:

Information overload, racing thoughts, inability to sleep (varies), too much energy, preference to be alone*, "feeling like I watch my life play out on tv and I have no control", medication?

*I am not sure if my preference to be alone spawns from my desire to learn more versus spending time in "meaningless social rituals"?

The biggest change in my life since my diagnosis is that I ANALYZE EVERYTHING TOO MUCH, including mediocre tasks and the stress from thinking about them.  I have become more of a "commit-a-phobe" What are your thoughts?

~J.P.S.

 

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Submitted by Jane FrizellCraig on

I am Bipolar as well as disabled on the computer with my rt hand, so, it is difficult to express feelings on it...Jane

Ben Williams's picture
Submitted by Ben Williams on

Been on a manic high for 2 weeks... world moves like its on slow motion... cant find anyone with the same condition and interest (mechanic, electronics, engineering, theory, operation, expansion and improvement on whats already there) I will work a week straight on just the high of learning and problem solving.... help going crazy with no one on my level to talk to..... off meds going to get new ones monday to slow body down but not mind.... Knowledge is power!. 9043348533

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Submitted by Stuey on

For me the hardest things about being bipolar are that I have so many projects on the go at once that I leave a trail of unfinished ones, not all, and I am frustrated by my attempts to explain my ideas to others who frequently don't have a clue about what I am talking about.

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Submitted by John the Genius on

Bipolar = Genius. Lol what a dumb assumption. Just because some musicians, painters, and writers are bipolar and really smart doesn't mean you all are advanced in some way. Real intellegence comes from a sort of mental composure which most Bipolar people lack and can't comprehend.You all are dumb. You wish you could be like me.

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Submitted by Does this matter? on

I'm fairly new to all this, but here's my background.

The only thing I've been diagnosed with is ADHD,  and that took about a year of trial and errors with tricyclic antidepressants to prevent my migraines from potentially worrsening. 

It took me many sleepless nights, an a lot of self discovery to find out and accept that I also have: Autistic symptoms (mild), paranoid skitzophrenia, aspergers, and bi-polar conditions, and OCD.

This all happened in the last 3 years, I am also a Veteran (out since 2006 after 10 yrs active service)

Please correct me if my thinking is wrong.  Our lower than normal dopamine levels I think would make us more sensitive to stimulants and chemicals that release dopamine- drugs, alcohol, thrill seeking, sugar, etc.

Im not willing to go all out on a limb and drop sugar out of my diet, but I've noticed a big difference between thinking on empty, and thinking on sugar.  It makes sense... Sugar is brain food.  I admit, as crazy and far left field my brain takes me  sometimes, I know there's genius at work.  I believe a life time of learning and pausing to reflect on those experiences have made me this way.   Aware. 

To those that find it debilitating, have you really sat down and thought about the things that it allows you to do?  I've found out that while it's not easy to shatter old ways of thinking, it changes your entire outlook on life, your potential, and most importantly- It allows you to find your passion.  I hope this helps. 

 

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Submitted by theblasterkid on

What's completely amazing is that I think completely the same way! I've had Social Anxiety Disorder for years and also have isolated myself at times. My family either thinks I'm crazy, but at times, I'm either called that or a genius. My opinion, is that I think it's the environment we are placed. I drink a lot of wine or beer at times, eat a lot candy and fish, stay up while everyone sleeps, and all. Some people think I'm an arrogant asshole because I have the tendency to relate my aspect of reality to others from my own experience. I have the also the the talk about the universe, technology, and physics a lot. Knowledge of self is motto! Lol. Most of my family thinks I'm retarded. Lol. Or, either that I'm too smart! I think that what Elaina is amazing! The great creation is amazing! My theory is that reality is a virtual gameof learning.

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Submitted by mike on

There are links between increased creativity, genius and high dopamine levels. The eccentricity of a creative and highly intelligent individual is due to the chemicals in his/her brain. I have bipolar one disorder I am 18 and was dignosed at 17. From my general intuition I have gathered that during the onset of a manic or hypomanic episode my mind reaches a higher dimension of reality and a heightened state of consciousness. I develop acute perceptions and an increasing state of oneness with the universe. One of the reasons I think bipolar is associated with genius is that you enter a domain of existence that is foreign to the average person. People strive to reach this state through the abuse of illicit substances or risk taking behaviors. In most attempts it does nothing to enhance their outlook on life because in the natural state their minds are dull and incapable of thinking with a high degree of creativity. People with bipolar have the ability to experience a rich reality and express their melancholic  and ecstatic experiences in a very meaningful and artistic way;

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Submitted by marc on

There are links between increased creativity, genius and high dopamine levels. The eccentricity of a creative and highly intelligent individual is due to the chemicals in his/her brain. I have bipolar one disorder I am 18 and was dignosed at 17. From my general intuition I have gathered that during the onset of a manic or hypomanic episode my mind reaches a higher dimension of reality and a heightened state of consciousness. I develop acute perceptions and an increasing state of oneness with the universe. One of the reasons I think bipolar is associated with genius is that you enter a domain of existence that is foreign to the average person. People strive to reach this state through the abuse of illicit substances or risk taking behaviors. In most attempts it does nothing to enhance their outlook on life because in the natural state their minds are dull and incapable of thinking with a high degree of creativity. People with bipolar have the ability to experience a rich reality and express their melancholic  and ecstatic experiences in a very meaningful and artistic way;

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Submitted by Unknown on

I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder after almost a decade of misdiagnoses - first of just depression, then of seasonal affective disorder. When the manic depressive patterns became too obvious over the last 5 years, the diagnosis was finally bipolar. I have always been an incredibly high achiever since my childhood (youngest in med school, fellowship to an Ivy League, member of MENSA at 14, prized pupil by both my art and music teachers). But only I know how painful this journey has been. I have always felt like an outsider whether among doctors, scientists or businessmen (all three of which I have been in my short life thus far). I find it hard to hold down a job because of the terrible depression and am amused when people think that depression contributes to the achievements of the highly gifted. Depression is a curse, the price I pay in spades for the incredible productivity during my manic phases. I have suffered enough to not care anymore about being gifted. I just want this curse to go away, even if it means I'll just be mentally average for the rest of my life. You get tired after a while of having your thinking called "odd" or "radical", even when your opponents grant that your logic and argument is sound. I don't blame the world for the way it is, the rules are justifiably made for the majority and I am not one of them. But I honestly wish I was.

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